Beautifully explained Lynn. if(formElement.addEventListener){ And yes there is false doctrine being taught. Please don’t get caught up in the doctrines of demons on the other side of the path. Went to a bible study at someone’s home who was in leadership. Once in Chattanooga TN during winter ramp at the Convention center packed w THOUSANDS of ppl, He told the young ushers to block the doors and not allow anyone to leave because “they were not going to disrespect the preaching of the word of God” behavior like that is a common occurrence w/him. I moved to be near the Brownsville revival and ran off to see Lakeland nonsense when it was published in Charisma magazine. I think he needs therapy. When Karen and I divorced in 1995 we signed an agreement that the details of our divorce were not to be discussed or published. (Dec 27, 2020) This is from Karen Wheaton Church CD. I’m so encouraged to read your comment. Always wondered how born again christians could run along side false teachers for years on end and not realize that they weren’t born again. Never have I been so hurt in my life. Prayers that ur search for growth in spirituality evolves and younfind the peace in which I have over the years….Peace and Light….thank u for sharingbur story and it gives peace to many hearing the truths regarding Pentecostal- Holiness type churches. Sorry about some of the typos above. But I am thinking many things you describe would be considered the fringe of the movement by preachers at more conservative churches. I believe in simply living the precepts of the Bible are enough w/o all the drama. I would describe the modern church as apostate and I have left the harlot church system in my rear view. Definitely not the work of God but Satan. My family had faithfully served God for generations. } All the false prophetic words I have heard through the years and was still hearing. Hey, Karen Wheaton Ministries. Should people not listen to you as well. Judy Jacobs. The fact that it did not line up with Gods word or his Character made me even more angry. Thompson is under the direction of false prophetess Karen Wheaton Towe. There is an air of spiritual elitism about it. ( Log Out /  I have spent 20 years of my life in the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement but something happened to me recently that caused me to walk away completely. Karen Wheaton Ministries. Mind you he left me sitting in a worship service for 45 minutes to chat with another girl that he ended up dating weeks later. Always wondered how born again christians could run along side false teachers for years on end and not realize that they weren’t born again. That’s what the Bible says about false teachers. The worship leader is always pushing you or manipulating the crowd to be more expressive but it seemed  so contrived like the more exuberant the crowd was the more validated the worship leader felt in doing God’s work. Judy Jacobs is a sent one. The Word of God through her life and pen wields a crushing blow to the spirit of fear and silences every excuse that keeps us from living in our full potential. Your blog has touched me because you wrote about the same thoughts and experiences that I have had. I started w the Ramp in my twenties and I’m now in my 40’s. These three simultaneous events sent me running back to my bible. The straw that broke the camel’s back was when a super  Christian guy I was dating and who had become deeply imbedded in this movement broke up with me because God told him too. Something distinctively not related to anything of the Prince of PEACE. Another lady received a prophecy at the age of 38 saying she was to have a child out of her womb, she was now 52 and could not understand what was going on. The scripture is right and true even if Charismatic ministers make up doctrine like the “Seven Mountain Teaching”. I was raised in church my entire life. My people have committed two evils. if (null === formElement) { So true. Lynn, could you please expand your answer regarding what you found out about gender orientation? I even moved to Florida for where so called revival is and I am regretful.. Hi Jessica, yes I did the same. Welcome to ®! Neither gender nor sexual desires can be a foundation for true love and fulfillment. What did you find out from the Word? Jesus is The Lord, the church may be a good place and be very well meaning, but it’s not the Lord. In this movement ministers are worshiped like infallible gods above reproach. I told him that did not line up with scripture but he assured me God had spoken to him. If we give in to our own hurt or bitterness and place it above the scripture then we are at risk of going into deception. Still a work in progress of course. Once we seek any kind of fulfillment from another human being, we have made shallow our path. ” — Karen Wheaton God was ABOUT to do something amazing in our mist. Don’t through the baby out with the bath water. They taught  we were the special generation that would usher in the return of Christ. let formElement = document.getElementById("tfa_0"); I  have a storehouse full of wonderful memories but it has strayed like a boat without a compass; ever so subtle without even realizing it. God why was I  deceived? It is SO hard to have this conversation with those who are deceived by it. I married my husband, Casey, when I was 18 years old, on Valentine's Day, 2005. I also bear wormed worth something you said about your friend’s reaction to honest conversation. $15.00. Shipping Hours: Monday-Friday 10am-4pm. (The Lord saved me “in spite of” not “because of” the movement) Because I was SO thankful to God for saving me I truly wanted to give my all in service to the church. I totally believe in the New testament Church for today. Anyone know? I saw so many people using Gods name in the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement it is dizzying. And the anger… oh the anger. Here is how it was shown to me; If i look for love and put my hope and desires in another human, no matter the gender or preference of interest, i will aways be led off the narrow path. I am also blessed to have a few Christian sisters who feel the same way as I do regarding a true move of God and can have quality fellowship with them. Many times I would sit in church and hear the preacher say something and wonder, “Is that even biblical?” then I would wonder if I had a demon or an evil spirit of unbelief (welcome to Pentecostal thinking my friends). May we all see He is the only true love we seek, the one true spirit. Email: I had a REALLY bad experience in a Assembly of God church about a year ago. Half a torn map with a cigarrette burn where Orlando is supposed to be is ‘in part.’ Those are two different things. }); The art college i attended wrote to my parents and said i was a very tallented student but they believed i had got mixed up in some sort of cult, but if they could help me they would sort out accomodation and try to get me out of it, I wasnt responsive and left art college. Phone: (205) 921-0909. }); document.addEventListener("DOMContentLoaded", function(){ I was never so humiliated in my life. The ministry circles that the Ramp was surrounded by are very concerning to me. Often churches are made up of what various people, even godly people, believe is to be the correct interpretation of what the scriptures tell us. Goodbye Girl Hello Lady. } I loved my friends but my heart was far from God. ( Log Out /  One example is the leadership of apostles and prophets. I love this! Judy Jacobs is a sent one. It is an  out of balance, unbiblical view of being a disciple of Christ. Maybe I will write about that in the future but honestly I’m still in a healing season. All I know is the Pentecostal church as undergone some big changes since I first began and none of them are helping people learn bible Scripture or to understand verses in context. This evil woman who lead the group started saying, I had a eating disorder or that I was sexually abused. We believe awakening begins with an encounter. Wow, that is nutty but unfortunately not uncommon. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. formElement.addEventListener('submit', appendJsTimerElement, false); let appendJsTimerElement = function(){ jsTimeInput.setAttribute("value", formTimeDiff.toString()); jsTimeInput.setAttribute("name", "tfa_dbElapsedJsTime"); I was a devoted follower of the Ramp, founded by Karen Wheaton featuring Perry stone (OCI ministries) Damon Thompson, Dutch Sheets the N.A.R crowd and many other famous ministers. I was 21 years old when I truly came to know Christ and now I am 40 and let me tell you this stuff gets old. I realize that being around that makes people mentally and emotionally unstable. I remember being in a church service with my hands raised singing a love song to God and realizing I was so lost. Our pastor who was not there that night at the meeting called and asked me to come into his office. let formTimeDiff = Math.floor((new Date).getTime()/1000) - FORM_TIME_START; I still carried on in the charasmatic church , only to have more bad experiences, through it all the Lord kept me close and taught me much. In that moment it felt very “Jim Jones” nutty. Carnal desire and romantic love fades and becomes so secondary as you grow older and learn with heartache and experience that human love is so failing BUT GOD. It’s not said point blank but the overall theme is he is one of the only ones preaching the REAL gospel and that type of hyped up emotional message can radicalize ppl in a very dark way. My mother, Karen Wheaton, is a world-renowned gospel singer who has ministered to hundreds of thousands of people, and I will never forget the example of righteousness she set for my sister and me. It put an enormous focus on the gifts of the spirit such as speaking in tongues/prophecy and how we were the Elijah generation and we would walk in signs and wonders and how that would cause this great revival. Some aren’t really ‘Pentecostal’ per se. I did not like my carnal life. It’s wonderful to know we are not alone. } else if(formElement.attachEvent){ if (null !== formElement) { Also, some of the churches teach an unbiblical idea that false prophecy is okay. That in itself should be enough for any christian to realize that it’s a toxic environment and get away. To hear Karen’s radio interview, go here. I’m just now leveling out after I went through a very dark time. I was listening to Bethel worship, Hill songs, all the cutting edge worship. Shipping Hours: Monday-Friday 10am-4pm. I had many questions concerning the church and gender orientation. formElement.appendChild(jsTimeInput); If so have you heard of any type of therapy that could help my friend move away from this? I’m certainly in agreement regarding finding our satisfaction in Jesus. Those ministries … I don’t want to see these people be disqualified from their callings, because of rejecting truth in the Bible. if (null !== formElement) { Also there are no “A”postles and “P”prophets in the church today. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("id", "tfa_dbElapsedJsTime"); if (null === formElement) { Paul mentions the idea of bearing false witness of God, claiming He did something He didn’t, in a context that indicates that it is a bad thing to do in I Corinthians 14. BTW did you live in Hamilton or have friends there? Hear about sales, receive special offers & more. I am writing this blog in hopes that if you stumble upon it that it will be a source of great comfort to you. I stick with a more rational school of thought and find that my life is so much more peaceful w/o the emotional chaos that is rampant in that movement. She has toured throughout the U.S. performing at events that also featured preachers and Christian artists such as Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Benny Hinn and the Gaither Homecoming. I just don’t understand what you wrote to totally answer your question on gender orientation. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("type", "hidden"); What a bargain! As Director, she oversees the Charles W. Colson scholarship program and pursues the goals of the Institute for Prison Ministries through networks, collaboration and strategic partnerships. How patient the Lord was on me…I will forever praise Him for that. I would allow time to pass and felt I had to start all over again. I came across your article and wanted to reach out to you. I got up and walked out. His plan is that we ultimately develop a personal relationship with Him and not through somebody or something else. Thank you for sharing your experience. It was supposed to be an annual Black Friday shopping tradition for Karen Wheaton and her daughters at the Riverchase Galleria mall in Hoover, Alabama, late Thursday night. I became a Christian in the 1980 s after coming to London to attend art college, I had a portrait in the National gallery in London and that was sucess as a young teenager, i had also been approached by people who were scouting for up and coming miss irelands in beauty pageants because they had seen my picture in newspapers .London was a big place for a teenager from the sticks in Ireland, so i got in touch with a friend who recently became a Christian and was living in London and at art college. Just different. Karen Wheaton Ministries 122 Buckhorn Trl Hamilton AL 35570. I have a lot of thoughts on this but am still wrestling with how to articulate them. She has been called for this hour to awaken the gifts and anointing that too often lie dormant in us. I listened to a few of his very recent teachings and he says he used to preach to thousands but he left it all. Sign in or create an account. Reviews (205) 921-9361 Website. wFORMS.behaviors.prefill.skip = false. The bible warns 17 times in the NT against wolves/false teachers but ministers selectively pick feel good scriptures and ignore others; you know, the ones that bring them under scrutiny or accountability .Sadly most Christians don’t know bible scripture so they  believe pretty much anything the preacher says. let cumulatedTime = parseInt(cumulatedTimeElement.value); let appendJsTimerElement = function(){ Jeremiah 2v13. It’s a small world. My Account; Wishlist; Help; Email Signup; Cart (0) items Checkout. I am not even sure I am well even now. Partnering with local churches, families, and individuals to see awakening in their communities, equipping them to carry purpose into their worlds, Community transformation through the presence, power, and message of Jesus, Contact Us: Shirts. Quiet meditation, formal structured services and order are more helpful. Box 1508 Was it the charismatic church that you were involved with that was the final straw or was it some experience with The Ramp? if (null !== cumulatedTime && cumulatedTime > 0) { P.S. (205)921-0909. All the false prophecies and watching friends believed in these lying words to the point it was hurting others and ruining lives. The Lord gives us a clear blueprint in the scripture of how the church should be. Total conformity is required to fit in although it is unspoken, everyone knows it. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("autocomplete", "off"); I would never find a husband because I disobedient to God. Religious Organization The light shines in the darkness and the darkness can not overcome John chapter 1. And He has! I don’t try and convince my old friends of anything, they have made up their minds but I speak what I know to be the truth. if (null !== formElement) { Enjoy! let formElement = document.getElementById("tfa_0"); I am exceedingly wary of much that purports to be of God and long to see a real move of God accompanied by conviction of sin and a resulting holiness. It sounds so Godly no one has stopped to examine weather it lines up with doctrine. webuzy. if (null !== cumulatedTimeElement) { Our Church actually phased out Sunday morning bible studies and the Wednesday night ones were more secular than anything,  I would call it positive philosophy. I could get a fresh prophetic word every Sunday at the altar as people prayed for me. Jesus must become our very own Personal Savior. CONNECT WITH US ON … We must not consider what ‘all theses things’ to be added are for this has no matter , His righteousness is our matter. I would say recovering from whatever damage that was done has taken me so many many years. It is a common practice to protect  corrupt ministers. Perhaps millions of young Americans (as well as vast numbers of youth around the world) are being brainwashed by a large and growing network of apostate “Church” leaders whom Satan is using to create a generation of heretics. I am so grateful that I read the NT when I came to know the Lord it helped me to stay grounded and ultimately saved me from this movement. The original posting of this article was about 8 months ago but it caught my eye as I have been researching Karen Wheaton and The Ramp. 13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. HOBO= Humble, Obedient, Bond -Servant , Of ‘No Reputation…’. 230 Fax (514) 394 - 9449 REGISTRATION FEES AND PAYMENT If you are registering after April 15th **note this date is now May 20th due to covid-19 **, please note that the camp fee increases by $20 to support rush processing … } I did and I know others have whether Charismatic, Pentecostal, Baptist, Anglican, Sally Army, Methodist etc etc. I have a VERY similar experience and am encouraged that you’d share yours. Get directions, reviews and information for Karen Wheaton Ministries in Hamilton, AL. Karen Wheaton is a seasoned Christian minister whose music and preaching has provoked listeners to pursue God in passionate worship for many years. Complete garbage. I have come to realize it was like living in a bomb shelter cut off from society. God Bless! It is a Christian Hollywood full of idols and idolatry and it is rampant in these evangelical circles. I too have seen major abuses in the Charismatic church. I thought to myself, after all of this I feel no closer to God. Everything Christian for less. The Lord needs us who understand the abuses in the current church to come together without disregarding truth in the scripture. Jewish people are more open to the gospel than at any time in history. Menu & Reservations Make Reservations . I knew 8 years ago the Ramp was cultish when Damon Thompson tried to barricade 10 thousand ppl in the Chattanooga convention center and the guy I was with told the kids they couldn’t block the exit because it was a fire safety hazard. I find some of the people involved in these churches to be really good people who are earnestly seeking the Lord. I am 40 now and began attending in my mid-twenties so I was around when the ramp was at the 180 building in Cleveland TN, and also at the Christian bookstore. 893 likes. My heart goes out to you. } Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. I gave my life to the Lord having heard her testimony, so charasmatic Christianity was all new to me, I was church of Ireland.For me despite being pretty and tallented i had a huge void in my heart and I knew that when I heard about Jesus , He was the only one who could fill the void. God sent a strong delusion upon them so that they should believe the lie because they loved not the truth. Gifts are given according to the grace given unto us. I can relate to so much of what you are saying. Book. I was saying where in the laodicean church age. I look back and realize that is abuse. A spiritual relationship without human influence is the way to understanding the mind of Christ.,,,…. This can only come with surrendering our whole hearts to God and His son, He can only offer us this true love we seek. Enter email address. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Morning Dawns. I am a born again Spirit filled believer in Jesus Christ and I also felt tired of the continual prophecies. We could exchange names and I would be the one writing this. Many of the people in church leadership were there. I was involved in the Charismatic Movement for 10+ years. With his long hair, tattoos, hippy looks and southern drawl that makes him a captivating speaker. Through our conferences, school of ministry, travel events, social media, broadcast program and multiple church locations, The Ramp engages thousands of people each month with the transforming power of the gospel. Was it the charismatic church that you were involved with that was the final straw or was it some experience with The Ramp? I began to notice a theme; I was all about US and not God. This is my therapy. What areas of ministry training are you interested in? They claim you are speaking out against the Lords anointed. ( Log Out /  } Book. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("name", "tfa_dbElapsedJsTime"); For the past 20 years, we’ve led thousands of people into life changing encounters with God. All we would have to do is swap names and your story would become mine. It was a pattern, one that bothered me. I certainly outgrew the emotional hype. formElement = document.getElementById("0"); ♥️. The church is sort of like a school. View all posts by puresola. His third wife and church gave him the boot for his sexcapades. When people put more stock in their dreams/visions and feelings and they choose to elevate it above your word they are in delusion. I watched Damon Thompson grow extremely arrogant and young folks esteem him like a God. And He set up His church the way He wanted and then wrote it down for us for a blueprint. Shipping Hours: Monday-Friday 10am-4pm. I was going through the motions. Me too left movement at age 20 and is now 25 years ago. Can’t help thinking the old adage is correct: ‘if you find a perfect church don’t join it. I hope you can see the email I put in. Being hurt, seeing confusion in the life of my friends lead me back to God. 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